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  • 07-01-2008 4:37 PM

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    what say you? i say eye for an eye

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    UPPER MARLBORO, Md. — The family of a 19-year-old man found strangled in his cell a day after he was jailed on charges of running over and killing a police officer is "outraged" over his death, their attorney said Tuesday.

    Ronnie White's death is being investigated as a homicide by the FBI and Maryland state police. He died Sunday in the Prince George's County Correctional Center from asphyxiation and strangulation, the state medical examiner said.

    Officials said seven guards had access to White at the time of his death, as did an unspecified number of supervisors. Authorities are also investigating whether anyone from the outside had access to the inmate.

    Bobby G. Henry Jr., the attorney representing the inmate's family called for "a thorough and exhaustive investigation." The family is "absolutely, unequivocally outraged and incensed and deeply saddened for the loss of life of their loved one," he said.

    He angrily denounced the actions that led to White's death, saying the perpetrators "took it upon themselves to be both the judge, the jury and the executioner."

    State police are leading the investigation into White's death at the request of county officials. The FBI is focusing on possible civil rights violations.

    "If we have vigilante justice, our society will fall apart," Prince George's County Executive Jack Johnson said at a news conference Monday.

    Johnson said that he believes the death was "unrelated to any act by the Prince George's County Police Department."

    Curtis Knowles, president of the corrections officers' union, said he was working that day but not in the unit. Officers involved in monitoring the inmate told Knowles that they came to feed White, tapped on the window and yelled through a slot in the door, but White didn't reply. They went in and shook White, but he didn't respond, Knowles said.

    June White-Dillard, head of the Prince George's branch of the NAACP, said that she was pleased the FBI was investigating the case but disturbed by the nature of the death of the inmate.

    "No one should have had access to him that could have caused him harm," she said.

    White was found on the floor of his cell at the Prince George's County jail at 10:30 a.m. Sunday with no pulse, according to officials. Jail medical staff who treated him reported no visible signs of trauma on his body, and he was declared dead an hour later at a hospital.

    Henry said White's family wasn't immediately contacted about the death. It was not until several hours after he died that the family was told to go to the hospital to identify the body, Henry said. When the family arrived, they were told the body was not there. Instead, it had been taken by the medical examiner to Baltimore for an autopsy.

    White had been held by himself in maximum security since he arrived at the jail around 12:30 a.m. Saturday morning.

    He was charged with first-degree murder in the death Friday of Prince George's County Cpl. Richard Findley, 39, during a traffic stop in Laurel. Findley, who was part of a team investigating car thefts, was killed after he got out of his cruiser and was dragged by a truck, which had been reported stolen. Authorities said White was driving the truck.

    Gov. Martin O'Malley ordered the state flag be flown at half-staff until sunset Thursday in memory of Findley, a 10-year veteran of the county police.

    White was one of four people taken into custody by police after the truck was found at a nearby apartment complex shortly after Findley was killed. The three others were questioned and released, according to Officer Henry Tippett, a county police spokesman.

    White received medical and psychological assessments that jail officials said did not uncover any problems. He was placed in a maximum security cell because he was considered a "high profile offender."

    Guards checked him every half hour. At 10:15 a.m. he was sitting on the side of his bunk and was alert, according to a timeline provided by jail officials. But fifteen minutes later, he was found unresponsive.

    There have been several problems recently at the county jail, including a former police corporal convicted of murdering a man who was found with a handcuffs key. The county's director of corrections was fired in early June when four handguns went missing from the jail armory.

    According to court records, White pleaded guilty to illegal possession of a firearm last year, and in another case, to drug possession. In 2006, he was charged with first-degree assault and armed robbery, but the case was dropped, records show. Last November, he was sentenced to more than six months in prison, but it's not clear when he was released.

    Findley was also a volunteer firefighter in the county, according to Vince Canales, president of the police union. A viewing was scheduled for Wednesday, followed by a funeral Thursday in Beltsville. Findley is survived by a wife and two young daughters.

    "He was a wonderful person," said Al Schwartz, chief of the Beltsville Volunteer Fire Department where Findley served for 20 years. "He could make you smile in a heartbeat."

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  • 07-01-2008 4:50 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    well, the fact remains that this guy wasn't convicted...only charged.

    innocent until proven guilty.

    so, i guess he's innocent...shouldn't have killed the guy before trial.

    and you're an idiot...i don't think it's the cops' or corrections' officer responsibility to execute accused criminals.  this family should be able to collecte a few million for wrongful death as it's clear he was assaulted post-capture and pre-conviction.

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  • 07-01-2008 4:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    it's pretty well known among local LEOs that you don't let PGPD officers near your prisoner...they're cowboys and they work outside the lines.  granted...they have a tough beat to work and sometimes u have to fight fire with fire...but a professional police force does not kill prisoners in custody.  they've been caught in the past and this is probably going to be another case where a few heads will roll and more importantly a family will be paid for damages...i just hope their attorney is worth a damn and gets them the money they rightfully deserve.  it's definitely a violation of civil rights...pretty clearly.

    this kid was denied due process...something many of us on the board take for granted.  i know he killed a cop and that's horrible...but the laws are in place for the sake of accountability and so that we aren't a country of savages.

    googs

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  • 07-01-2008 5:00 PM In reply to

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    BostonSR:

    well, the fact remains that this guy wasn't convicted...only charged.

    innocent until proven guilty.

    so, i guess he's innocent...shouldn't have killed the guy before trial.

    and you're an idiot...i don't think it's the cops' or corrections' officer responsibility to execute accused criminals.  this family should be able to collecte a few million for wrongful death as it's clear he was assaulted post-capture and pre-conviction.

    googs

     

    if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit? There were witnesses.

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  • 07-01-2008 5:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    incognito:

    BostonSR:

    well, the fact remains that this guy wasn't convicted...only charged.

    innocent until proven guilty.

    so, i guess he's innocent...shouldn't have killed the guy before trial.

    and you're an idiot...i don't think it's the cops' or corrections' officer responsibility to execute accused criminals.  this family should be able to collecte a few million for wrongful death as it's clear he was assaulted post-capture and pre-conviction.

    googs

     

    if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit? There were witnesses.

    What goes around comes around in life. Karma is a motherf'r.

     really?  so the OJ prosecution is botched and the rest of us have to be in fear of being killed by the cops if we're accused of a crime.  it's unprofessional conduct by people with a sworn duty to protect and serve.  they deserve to be held accountable for this murder just as the perp was going to be held accountable.  there can't be two justice systems. 

    it's easy to make the rules when you're on top...

    i don't care if you are a mod or whatever, you're a fukkin idiot.

    googs

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  • 07-01-2008 5:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

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  • 07-01-2008 5:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 


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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    BostonSR:

    it's pretty well known among local LEOs that you don't let PGPD officers near your prisoner...they're cowboys and they work outside the lines.  granted...they have a tough beat to work and sometimes u have to fight fire with fire...but a professional police force does not kill prisoners in custody.  they've been caught in the past and this is probably going to be another case where a few heads will roll and more importantly a family will be paid for damages...i just hope their attorney is worth a damn and gets them the money they rightfully deserve.  it's definitely a violation of civil rights...pretty clearly.

    this kid was denied due process...something many of us on the board take for granted.  i know he killed a cop and that's horrible...but the laws are in place for the sake of accountability and so that we aren't a country of savages.

    googs

    I agree with you Googs.
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  • 07-01-2008 5:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?
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  • 07-01-2008 5:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

     

    What do I say? I say an eye for an eye usually leads to a society of blind people...

    Are we gonna suggest that thieves have their hands cut off?  Should adulterers be castrated?  What next?

    We have laws in this society for a reason (its what makes us a society) and those who are trusted to enforce those laws should abide by them like everyone else.  And for those who say that we should just save the tax payer's money and off people accused/convicted of violent crimes maybe they should spend some time talking to the HUNDREDS of individuals who have recently been released from prison and exonerated by the efforts of the Innocence Project (http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Browse-Profiles.php).

    Im not saying ole boy was guilt or innocent, I am saying no prison guard/police officer/inmate had the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. 

     
    Just my two cents. 

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  • 07-01-2008 5:49 PM In reply to

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    BostonSR:

    incognito:

    BostonSR:

    well, the fact remains that this guy wasn't convicted...only charged.

    innocent until proven guilty.

    so, i guess he's innocent...shouldn't have killed the guy before trial.

    and you're an idiot...i don't think it's the cops' or corrections' officer responsibility to execute accused criminals.  this family should be able to collecte a few million for wrongful death as it's clear he was assaulted post-capture and pre-conviction.

    googs

     

    if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit? There were witnesses.

    What goes around comes around in life. Karma is a motherf'r.

     really?  so the OJ prosecution is botched and the rest of us have to be in fear of being killed by the cops if we're accused of a crime.  it's unprofessional conduct by people with a sworn duty to protect and serve.  they deserve to be held accountable for this murder just as the perp was going to be held accountable.  there can't be two justice systems. 

    it's easy to make the rules when you're on top...

    i don't care if you are a mod or whatever, you're a fukkin idiot.

    googs

     

    Yep they should be found accountable (corrections officer) and ultimately a violent offender that was placed at the scene of the crime by the passenger in the vehicle skipped Maryland's pine-sol heaven. Wilted Flower

     

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  • 07-01-2008 5:49 PM In reply to

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    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?
     

    circumstances are a little bit different than the scenario you laid out Idea

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?
     

    was he drunk? 


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  • 07-01-2008 5:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    maybe you guys arent reading correctly , he was driving a stolen truck and drug a police officer to his death..who was trying to arrest his sorry azz, and googs you think his family should be given money , thats horse shiit .what about the officers family , the hard working man who worked for a living , and took care of his family , not the piece of shitt that was plaguing our society.

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  • 07-01-2008 5:59 PM In reply to

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    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?

    Reading the article...seems like theres a history of issues...not to mention the stolen truck.

    I listened to a story about this the other night from a witness perspective...apparently the cop got hit, run over, than the kid stopped the car, ran over him again, then the cop got stuck on the truck, dragged fora while, then the cop fell off and got run over again.  Doesn't sound all that pretty.

    I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who has that kind of history w/ that kind of eye witness account.

    But I agree...its a slippery slope, and laws are in place for a reason.

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  • 07-01-2008 6:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    what are they investigating...they popos clearly killed him...if they were gonna kill him and try to get away with it, they should have threw his a$$ somewhere where there was at least 1 more prisoner, and got an inmate to hit him ..they stoopid...

    oh, and while I'm here.... 

    repeat rapist should be castrated; people who falsly accuse someone of rape should be jailed and fined (payable to the falsly accused)

    white collar criminals should be put on cops and america's most wanted and shyt like street criminals

    you should have the opportunity to out run the cops in a speeding ticket situation, since they are able to hide  and setup "traps" (jk..nah for real)

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    Macon663:

    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?

    Reading the article...seems like theres a history of issues...not to mention the stolen truck.

    I listened to a story about this the other night from a witness perspective...apparently the cop got hit, run over, than the kid stopped the car, ran over him again, then the cop got stuck on the truck, dragged fora while, then the cop fell off and got run over again.  Doesn't sound all that pretty.

    I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who has that kind of history w/ that kind of eye witness account.

    But I agree...its a slippery slope, and laws are in place for a reason.

    i understand what wildbill is sayin but it is alot different from me goin out and hitting someone on accident. 

     

    im not sayin what the cops did was right.........BUT I UNDERSTAND!

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    kdybread:

    what are they investigating...they popos clearly killed him...if they were gonna kill him and try to get away with it, they should have threw his a$$ somewhere where there was at least 1 more prisoner, and got an inmate to hit him ..they stoopid...

    oh, and while I'm here.... 

    repeat rapist should be castrated; people who falsly accuse someone of rape should be jailed and fined (payable to the falsly accused)

    white collar criminals should be put on cops and america's most wanted and shyt like street criminals

    you should have the opportunity to out run the cops in a speeding ticket situation, since they are able to hide  and setup "traps" (jk..nah for real)

     

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  • 07-01-2008 6:09 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    Kevmo:

    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?
     

    was he drunk? 

    Doesnt matter  an eye for an eye  whether on purpose or accident right?
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  • 07-01-2008 6:11 PM In reply to

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    Re: what say you? i say eye for an eye

    C ya BR 954:

    Macon663:

    wildbill 1300:

    Kevmo:

    C ya BR 954:

    he ran an innocent person over and drug them to their death!

     

    i hope they tortured him first!

     

    +1 

    If one of yall have one two many drinks and run over and kill an innocent person. Should you be strung up in your cell that night?

    Reading the article...seems like theres a history of issues...not to mention the stolen truck.

    I listened to a story about this the other night from a witness perspective...apparently the cop got hit, run over, than the kid stopped the car, ran over him again, then the cop got stuck on the truck, dragged fora while, then the cop fell off and got run over again.  Doesn't sound all that pretty.

    I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who has that kind of history w/ that kind of eye witness account.

    But I agree...its a slippery slope, and laws are in place for a reason.

    i understand what wildbill is sayin but it is alot different from me goin out and hitting someone on accident. 

     

    im not sayin what the cops did was right.........BUT I UNDERSTAND!

    i feel you CBR
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