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  • 07-06-2008 2:43 AM In reply to

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     go tell that to the pro football player in florida who was shot and died while his house was being burglarized.    --yeah,  maybe the thieves weren't carrying weapons this time. 


    careful careful here... you're walking that fine line with this statement between situational profiling and experience.  saying "this time" in that manner implies that by experience, lots of robbers do and should be dealth with accordingly.

    this is the same logic that gets people racially profiled.  not connecting race to this particular occurance at all, but just know that you're walking that fine line which gets you to that point.

    "maybe those two black guys in a car with chrome rims and tint out late at night weren't holding drugs "this time"..."

    "maybe that sportbiker without a tag light or flipped up tags had a legit license and registration "this time"..."

    just for some examples... but you can see how that thinking gets one into trouble.  cops are SUPPOSED to approach each situation independent of another, while still learning from their experience and being prepared.  a cop is NOT supposed to treat everyone the same in every situation.  likewise, you should be careful you don't start doing the same.

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  • 07-06-2008 10:15 AM In reply to

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     Too many things we don't know. He was let off and this was pretty highprofile, i'm willing to place my trust in the jury. I want to live next to that guy.

     in general i think while he could have handled it better, he is/was not trained for that sort of thing and wasn't thinking clearly. it is easy to judge something when you can sit back and look up texas laws, analize every peice of the puzzle, and draw detailed conclusion. When you are in the moment decisisions made are seldom perfect, this is an example of that - imo.


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    Aboogie:

    Glenn Ellis has to do 14 years in prison from a plea bargain, down from murder, attempted murder, and first-degree assault. 

    All of this because he decided to kill a 16 year old and critically injure a 23 year old over a Tahoe......

    Was Glenn dealed an injustice on the legal charges.....

    Was Mr. Horn lucky he lived in Texas and not PG........

    i didnt hear this who is glen ellis? i want to read about it..
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    I Love Sweatpants:

     

    shift:

     go tell that to the pro football player in florida who was shot and died while his house was being burglarized.    --yeah,  maybe the thieves weren't carrying weapons this time. 


    careful careful here... you're walking that fine line with this statement between situational profiling and experience.  saying "this time" in that manner implies that by experience, lots of robbers do and should be dealth with accordingly.

    this is the same logic that gets people racially profiled.  not connecting race to this particular occurance at all, but just know that you're walking that fine line which gets you to that point.

    "maybe those two black guys in a car with chrome rims and tint out late at night weren't holding drugs "this time"..."

    "maybe that sportbiker without a tag light or flipped up tags had a legit license and registration "this time"..."

    just for some examples... but you can see how that thinking gets one into trouble.  cops are SUPPOSED to approach each situation independent of another, while still learning from their experience and being prepared.  a cop is NOT supposed to treat everyone the same in every situation.  likewise, you should be careful you don't start doing the same.

     

    first off,  you only used part of what i said.  i said that because someone said "they just burglars,  not murderers."  hence,  i linked that burglars often carry guns and the victim sometimes gets shot,  and in that particular high profile case,  died.

    your last statement i bolded is exactly what i was saying to the original person who claimed "that they were burglars,  not murderers".  they tried to make the criminals sound as if burglars have never killed anyone,  thus becoming a murderer.  thank you for reiterating what i already said.  Geeked


  • 07-07-2008 8:17 PM In reply to

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    People need to go live in a border state where you actually have to deal with the rampant crime brought by the illegal problem before they try to compare it to living in DC/MD/VA.

     And all this time I thought MY Wash DC bubble WAS the world. <<<<Sarcasm for those that live in a bubble..not I. LOL

     

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  • 07-07-2008 8:18 PM In reply to

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    thank you for reiterating what i already said

     Welcome to .com. LOL

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  • 07-07-2008 8:19 PM In reply to

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    shift:
    thank you for reiterating what i already said

     Welcome to .com. LOL

    oops for got to add to that Where people argue just to argue. LOL

     

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    I Love Sweatpants:

    "maybe that sportbiker without a tag light or flipped up tags had a legit license and registration "this time"..."

    if the shoe fits......

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    Aboogie:

    Glenn Ellis has to do 14 years in prison from a plea bargain, down from murder, attempted murder, and first-degree assault. 

    All of this because he decided to kill a 16 year old and critically injure a 23 year old over a Tahoe......

    Was Glenn dealed an injustice on the legal charges.....

    Was Mr. Horn lucky he lived in Texas and not PG........

    i didnt hear this who is glen ellis? i want to read about it..
     

     


    Man Who 'Had Enough' Kills Suspect

    By Jamie Stockwell and Hamil R. Harris

    It happened at 2:30 yesterday morning. Glenn R. Ellis said an
    alarm alerted him that someone was tampering with his blue 1999
    Chevrolet Tahoe, parked outside his Laurel apartment. Like other
    residents of the Fox Rest complex, Ellis said later, he has been a
    victim of thieves before. This time, he said, he "had had enough."

    Ellis, 37, a tow truck driver, said he grabbed his 9mm Ruger
    handgun and rushed outside. "Things just went crazy," he recalled.
    He said he opened fire on four young men who were near his SUV.
    Police said later that the four were in the process of stealing
    it. Two were standing next to the Tahoe and the other two were
    in it when Ellis pulled the trigger.

    Ernest Sockwell, 16, was killed. A 23-year-old man, whom police
    declined to identify, was hospitalized in critical condition.
    Two other men, who were uninjured, were questioned by police and
    released while the investigation continues.

    Ellis was questioned by Prince George's County homicide detectives
    for hours yesterday, then was released pending the outcome of the
    investigation. Late in the afternoon, he stood outside his
    apartment, in the 13800 block of Briarwood Drive. He stood not
    far from where the blood had spilled, and he spoke slowly,
    appearing to fight back tears.

    "My biggest regret is for the families of the two kids," said
    Ellis, wearing pressed tan slacks and a brown dress shirt.
    Friends and supporters stood with him. "One is dead, and one is
    fighting for his life. If I could do things over again, I would."

    Ellis said he had installed a device in his Tahoe that alerts
    an alarm company by wireless signal if the vehicle is tampered
    with. The alarm company then pages Ellis to warn him.

    "The pager went off," Ellis said. "It tells me that something
    was in my truck. I came out, and things just went crazy."

    A county police spokesman, Cpl. Joe Merkel, said such devices
    "can be very useful in helping to notify potential victims that
    a crime is being committed." He said, however, that victims
    should call the police. "We would not recommend the victim
    confront the suspect," Merkel said.

    It was unclear yesterday whether Ellis shouted a warning to
    the four young men. Police said he has a permit for the gun.

    "I don't want to say too much," Ellis said after arriving
    home from police headquarters. "I need to get a lawyer."

    Ellis, who works for the D.C. Department of Public Works, said
    he lives at the complex with his girlfriend and his three
    children. He did not elaborate on his decision to open fire
    but voiced regret.

    "I feel bad," he said. "I have a 16-year-old. I'm crushed about
    this."

    According to police, two of the suspected thieves fled in the
    Tahoe after the shots were fired, and another fled on foot and
    was apprehended later. Sockwell was found on the parking lot
    pavement. The two who were in the vehicle stopped at an Extra
    Mart at Fort Meade Road and Ethel Drive in Anne Arundel County,
    where they called authorities, because one of them had been
    wounded.

    Police said none of the suspected thieves had a weapon. Police
    said a screwdriver was found on the ground near where the Tahoe
    had been parked outside Ellis's apartment.

    State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said the case would be reviewed
    by his office after detectives complete the investigation. He
    said that it was unclear whether Ellis acted in self-defense and
    that it was "premature to talk in those terms."

    "We want to make sure the facts are in, and then we will make
    a legal decision," he said. "We want to be careful not to rush
    to judgment. We want to make sure we are very deliberate in how
    we handle it."

    In the interview, Ellis did not say whether he believed his life
    was in danger.

    Robert C. Bonsib, a defense lawyer and former prosecutor, said
    a person is allowed under the law to use a reasonable amount of
    force to defend his property but "not deadly force."

    "If it was strictly a man defending his property, then it may
    very well be an issue of whether it was proper" to shoot, he
    said. "Jury instructions for this type of case say that you
    may not use deadly force to defend your property or to prevent
    someone from interfering with your property. Was there something
    that happened that put the shooter in reasonable fear for his
    life and that it would justify this level of force? [That] is
    what will have to be answered."

    Many residents of the apartment building said yesterday that the
    shootings were the culmination of months of frustration and
    anger over a spate of break-ins and auto thefts in the community.

    Andrea Harris, 37, a Fox Rest resident, said: "Everybody is
    alert because of concerns of recent break-ins. Their apartments
    and cars are being broken into."

    But authorities cautioned the residents to call 911 if they
    see crimes in progress.

    "We are all frustrated over the number of cars stolen in the
    county," Police Chief Melvin C. High said through a spokeswoman
    yesterday. "We need the help of our citizens to put a stop to
    this crime, but not at the expense of that citizen putting
    himself or herself in harm's way. . . . We encourage citizens to
    call and let us handle the situation if they can, rather than
    resort to violence on their own."

    Prince George's ranks first in the state and in the region for
    auto thefts, with more than 15,000 vehicles stolen last year,
    according to department statistics. Slightly more than 10,000
    vehicles have been stolen since January, a 17 percent increase
    over the same period last year.

    In comparison, slightly less than 8,000 vehicles were reported
    stolen in the District in 2001, the most recent figures
    available, and about 700 were reported in Fairfax County that year.

    The high rate in Prince George's has taken on greater
    significance in the wake of yesterday's shootings, said Ivey,
    whose office has focused in recent months on educating
    residents about vehicle anti-theft devices.

    "Clearly, we know that auto theft is a major problem," he said.
    "Many people have been victimized, including me, and I know
    how frustrating it can be to have your car stolen. But as a
    community, we need to be careful not to overreact. We need
    to be careful how we address this problem."

    Staff writer Darragh Johnson and staff researcher Bobbye
    Pratt contributed to this report.

  • 07-07-2008 11:32 PM In reply to

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    thanks for posting that for me..where can i read the one where he was sentenced? i think he did the right thing, its a shame he was convicted on any charges..people work hard for the little bit they have these days and are tried of having thieves take there stuff and then having all the hassle of replacing it , the financial burden of replacing it..and so own..pg county which is a shiit hole to start with needs to change there laws , to the same as the county mr. horn lives in..in texas ,in fact all of the united states needs to change there laws to protect people like mr.horn.. me i feel more sadness toward the victim in this case then the perpetrators..

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    i bet you people pay overinflated insurance prices over there in PG because of that outrageous amount of auto theft.  15,000 thefts in PG county alone per year.  that's 41 autos stolen per day in one friggin county.  no wonder someone snapped and pulled the trigger on some thieves.  and people in md have the nerve to complain about the cops in fairfax county.  lol

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    shift:

     go tell that to the pro football player in florida who was shot and died while his house was being burglarized.    --yeah,  maybe the thieves weren't carrying weapons this time. 


    careful careful here... you're walking that fine line with this statement between situational profiling and experience.  saying "this time" in that manner implies that by experience, lots of robbers do and should be dealth with accordingly.

    this is the same logic that gets people racially profiled.  not connecting race to this particular occurance at all, but just know that you're walking that fine line which gets you to that point.

    "maybe those two black guys in a car with chrome rims and tint out late at night weren't holding drugs "this time"..."

    "maybe that sportbiker without a tag light or flipped up tags had a legit license and registration "this time"..."

    just for some examples... but you can see how that thinking gets one into trouble.  cops are SUPPOSED to approach each situation independent of another, while still learning from their experience and being prepared.  a cop is NOT supposed to treat everyone the same in every situation.  likewise, you should be careful you don't start doing the same.

     

    first off,  you only used part of what i said.  i said that because someone said "they just burglars,  not murderers."  hence,  i linked that burglars often carry guns and the victim sometimes gets shot,  and in that particular high profile case,  died.

    your last statement i bolded is exactly what i was saying to the original person who claimed "that they were burglars,  not murderers".  they tried to make the criminals sound as if burglars have never killed anyone,  thus becoming a murderer.  thank you for reiterating what i already said.  Geeked


    i used the part relevant to what i was saying.  i know why you said it.  try to follow along here... i'll hold your hand...

    there's a difference between you saying "don't always assume that a burglar is NOT armed" and "don't always assume a burglar is armed".  those are completely different, and the first one is what you're saying, and the second one is what i'm saying.  the first one... will often get one person killed, maybe the victim, maybe the burglar, because by assuming they intend to act with deadly force if confronted, you will often confront them with the intent that you will shoot them before they shoot you.  if you DON'T always assume that somebody will kill you if you don't act first, you may be able to avoid the innocent loss of life.

    criminals (A)

    murderers (B)

    burglars (C)

    All C are A

    All B are A

    All C are not B

    A /= B /= C

    Therefore they shouldn't necessarily be approached as such.  You are "ASSUMING" that ALL C "MIGHT" be B, but logically this is not the case.  I never even really heard this train of thought prevailent in mainstream public speaking until after we retalliated for 9/11 and the whole "the absence of proof does not necessarily mean something doesn't exist."  That's totally flawed logic just to justify pre-emptive strikes against a perceived enemy... because... "if we don't act first, they'll get us."  So you're assuming that if you don't strike with deadly force against burglars first, they MIGHT kill you because just cause we don't know if they intend to kill or not, doesn't mean that they won't do it.  By that logic, why would it not be acceptable to shoot everyone who looked at you suspiciously or anyone who argued with you?  Technically, they are acting aggressively, aggressive people sometimes kill people or have guns, they MIGHT try and kill you... better act first.  Right???  Not quite right.  I thank President Bush in all his infinite wisdom for making that way of thinking popular, maybe you should too.

     

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    Therefore they shouldn't necessarily be approached as such.  You are "ASSUMING" that ALL C "MIGHT" be B, but logically this is not the case.  I never even really heard this train of thought prevailent in mainstream public speaking until after we retalliated for 9/11 and the whole "the absence of proof does not necessarily mean something doesn't exist."  That's totally flawed logic just to justify pre-emptive strikes against a perceived enemy... because... "if we don't act first, they'll get us."  So you're assuming that if you don't strike with deadly force against burglars first, they MIGHT kill you because just cause we don't know if they intend to kill or not, doesn't mean that they won't do it.  By that logic, why would it not be acceptable to shoot everyone who looked at you suspiciously or anyone who argued with you?  Technically, they are acting aggressively, aggressive people sometimes kill people or have guns, they MIGHT try and kill you... better act first.  Right???  Not quite right.  I thank President Bush in all his infinite wisdom for making that way of thinking popular, maybe you should too.

     

    so what your saying is wait to be the victim before , you protect yourself..doesnt make much sense if you think about it..while your laying there bleeding to death while there raping your wife and daughters , youll think i should have shot first..and killed those trashy burglars and they wouldnt be doing this right now..i mean c'mon..
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    shift:

     go tell that to the pro football player in florida who was shot and died while his house was being burglarized.    --yeah,  maybe the thieves weren't carrying weapons this time. 


    careful careful here... you're walking that fine line with this statement between situational profiling and experience.  saying "this time" in that manner implies that by experience, lots of robbers do and should be dealth with accordingly.

    this is the same logic that gets people racially profiled.  not connecting race to this particular occurance at all, but just know that you're walking that fine line which gets you to that point.

    "maybe those two black guys in a car with chrome rims and tint out late at night weren't holding drugs "this time"..."

    "maybe that sportbiker without a tag light or flipped up tags had a legit license and registration "this time"..."

    just for some examples... but you can see how that thinking gets one into trouble.  cops are SUPPOSED to approach each situation independent of another, while still learning from their experience and being prepared.  a cop is NOT supposed to treat everyone the same in every situation.  likewise, you should be careful you don't start doing the same.

     

    first off,  you only used part of what i said.  i said that because someone said "they just burglars,  not murderers."  hence,  i linked that burglars often carry guns and the victim *sometimes* gets shot,  and in that particular high profile case,  died.

    your last statement i bolded is exactly what i was saying to the original person who claimed "that they were burglars,  not murderers".  they tried to make the criminals sound as if burglars have never killed anyone,  thus becoming a murderer.  thank you for reiterating what i already said.  Geeked


    i used the part relevant to what i was saying.  i know why you said it.  try to follow along here... i'll hold your hand...

    there's a difference between you saying "don't always assume that a burglar is NOT armed" and "don't always assume a burglar is armed".  those are completely different, and the first one is what you're saying, and the second one is what i'm saying.  the first one... will often get one person killed, maybe the victim, maybe the burglar, because by assuming they intend to act with deadly force if confronted, you will often confront them with the intent that you will shoot them before they shoot you.  if you DON'T always assume that somebody will kill you if you don't act first, you may be able to avoid the innocent loss of life.

    criminals (A)

    murderers (B)

    burglars (C)

    All C are A

    All B are A

    All C are not B

    A /= B /= C

    Therefore they shouldn't necessarily be approached as such.  You are "ASSUMING" that ALL C "MIGHT" be B, but logically this is not the case.  I never even really heard this train of thought prevailent in mainstream public speaking until after we retalliated for 9/11 and the whole "the absence of proof does not necessarily mean something doesn't exist."  That's totally flawed logic just to justify pre-emptive strikes against a perceived enemy... because... "if we don't act first, they'll get us."  So you're assuming that if you don't strike with deadly force against burglars first, they MIGHT kill you because just cause we don't know if they intend to kill or not, doesn't mean that they won't do it.  By that logic, why would it not be acceptable to shoot everyone who looked at you suspiciously or anyone who argued with you?  Technically, they are acting aggressively, aggressive people sometimes kill people or have guns, they MIGHT try and kill you... better act first.  Right???  Not quite right.  I thank President Bush in all his infinite wisdom for making that way of thinking popular, maybe you should too.

     

     

    you read waaaay to far into shiit man. 

    i highlighted the simple parts you are over psycho analyzing.  i am assuming "C" who might be carrying a weapon,  might accidentally (or on purpose) use the weapon and then become "B".  i am not "assuming all "C" might be "B" " as you suggest.  and i never suggested they should be approached as such.  do you see what i am saying,  since your eyes are so fine tuned to see those finite differences?

    go ahead and reply with some more "try to follow along,  i'll hold your hand"  type bullshit if it makes you feel cool.  i think it's funny you are dragging what i'm saying way out of proportion.  do you see what boston did earlier in the post about quoting mr. pink?   yeah,  you're taking that to a whole new level.

     

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    I like IT!!

    Don't wanna get shot - don't steal... works for me..

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    ^^^  i know,  right....

     

    oh yeah,  IBL.  Cool 

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    i bet you people pay overinflated insurance prices over there in PG because of that outrageous amount of auto theft.  15,000 thefts in PG county alone per year.  that's 41 autos stolen per day in one friggin county.  no wonder someone snapped and pulled the trigger on some thieves.  and people in md have the nerve to complain about the cops in fairfax county.  lol

    we do pay higher ins. bills in PG. my buddy(lives in AA) and I(PG) once got quotes for the same bike from the same agent and his quote was for a fraction of mine, which was well over a G. The agent said the main reason for the difference was where I live. We should shoot more thieves to bring my rates down.
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    i bet you people pay overinflated insurance prices over there in PG because of that outrageous amount of auto theft.  15,000 thefts in PG county alone per year.  that's 41 autos stolen per day in one friggin county.  no wonder someone snapped and pulled the trigger on some thieves.  and people in md have the nerve to complain about the cops in fairfax county.  lol

    we do pay higher ins. bills in PG. my buddy(lives in AA) and I(PG) once got quotes for the same bike from the same agent and his quote was for a fraction of mine, which was well over a G. The agent said the main reason for the difference was where I live. We should shoot more thieves to bring my rates down.
     

    i believe it.  when i lived in arlington,  i paid $150/year for liability on my ktm 640.  when i moved to purcellville,  the same coverage and company dropped rates  down to $75/year.  so a 50% drop for moving 50 miles away.  Coffee 

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    I like IT!!

    Don't wanna get shot - don't steal... works for me..

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